The Sanctuary's cannons were blowing Leviathans to pieces, not just melting/vaporizing them. When did he do the former and the latter was a much more powerful Thor than the one Ultron fought. Even though she powered through the Sanctuary's cannons? Not really, this was to much power for her to absorb and that power hit her very fast, she needs some time to absorb it. Also, you're using the excuse of "cinematics" for Carol being faster than she's shown (despite nothing being shown as cinematically slower around her) but when I use the same thing it's a "fan theory"? Thought so, I was just making a comparison. He could also use his lightning for more powerful punches as shown in the Hulk fight and better agility as shown against fighting the undead and Hela. They did damage him but not not too badly, I was expecting some more resistance towards Hulk, especially someone of his supposed caliber. All we know is that she came back a few seconds later. Finden Sie Top-Angebote für Iron Man Jamma Figur Action Figur Avengers Age of Ultron 21 cm bei eBay. Yes, she hasn't fought many characters we can scale from but we can't just assume that her feats are therefore unusable (the only thing she has fought at full power aside from tanks and ships is Thanos). Ultron est un super-vilain robotique. It does, you seem to be so absorbed into the idea that she was amped that you're acting like it is an objective truth and not a supported claim. That should be enough to hurt him. She needs to get close or use her shield to absorb energy. What? (*Cues: Wiz & Boomstick - Brandon Yates*) Wiz: Humans fear what they don't understand, especially when it comes to the infinite potential of artificial intelligence. As i told you she visually looked slower, yes, but that is cinematic timing, one second on-screen is not nesserly one second in RL time, that is why that you cannot use that here really, DCEU WW looks peak human all the time in evrey fight yet she is much faster, you see my point. Thanos vs Carol scenes are odd and inconsistent that's why it's best to ignore the two scenes and focus on their other feats. What if when directors slow thigns down so that we can see without making rest of charcters move in slow motion, that is why they are not in slow motion, the same is when WW fights, I mean just use logic why would she move slow here when she was trying to save the universe, any basic logic says that she would move as fast as she can, and what you tried to use is not a cinematic thing, but you tried to claim that her not returning for 7 seconds was becasue she chose to just sit there and chill while Thanos was about to destroy universe she tried to protect, As i told you energy does not need to be visible for her to absorb it, many times energy is sensible, but fact that she is suddenly after she grabbed it far more powerful than she was before and that we know that she can absorb energy suggests that she was amped. She's still flying forward during that scene. Und dieser besagte Hoffnungsschimmer ha… Same star melted down Uru which is stated to be stronger than Vibranium by the Russo brothers. I am not using that as evidnece, just stating that evidnece writers gave us is prety easily to find since loot of people saw and believe in it, that is not evidence in and on itself, but it shows that many people could clearly see writers intention for her to be amped, that evidnece is everywhere, that this is not some mental gymnastics fan theory made to lowball her, One-piece? Just two hits from Sanctuary cannon was able to kill a Leviathan. There's also the fact that Hulk has put a fist-sized dent in a Vibranium wall shown in Agents of Shield, the same Hulk you said couldn't even hurt Thor. She doesn't have injures after being thrown either. Yeah but you said he didn't get stronger but he definitely did in terms of striking strength. @void_reborn: That's not a durability feat, his body was being melted instantly. But she has like one statement when they said she was winning but yet, there's this for Thanos: Question: ''Why Iron Man has to be the one to do the final snap, couldn't the people like Thor, Star-Lord or Captain Marvel whom all previously have handled the power of Infinity Stones done it instead? It's only in a flashback that readers learned that Ultron was actually the creation of Hank Pym, also known as Ant-Man, and just a guy who maybe needs to stop doing things. In another, she takes even longer to fly from a van that was no more than a kilometer away from where she and Spiderman were. Ultron is a fictional supervillain appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Wiki Points. Avengers: Age of Ultron ist ein US-amerikanischer Science-Fiction-Actionfilm, der als Comicverfilmung auf dem Superheldenteam The Avengers (in früheren deutschen Übersetzungen „Die Rächer“) des Verlags Marvel basiert. @void_reborn: She can't absorb energy casually. Ultron-1 was a very simple robot on treads with a very basic body. Not too much of a difference from when he fights them both without the dark magic acting on him and his performance in AoU is certainly nothing impressive compared to Thor in the first Avengers movie. It was only with some truly cosmic intervention that he was defeated. EUR 7,59 . EUR 17,23 + Versand. Wanda’s thinking of him too, and this is perhaps the first time she’s allowed herself to do so since Age of Ultron. Impressive, but it isn't as impressive to me as Carol bullcharging through the much larger Sanctuary. What if when directors slow thigns down so that we can see without making rest of charcters move in slow motion, that is why they are not in slow motion, the same is when WW fights, I mean just use logic why would she move slow here when she was trying to save the universe, any basic logic says that she would move as fast as she can. Yeah but neither where harmed really in that scene, they exchanged few blows, its not really evidnece of anything. Well with Ultron he cannot be knocked out or dazed like Carol can, he does not have a human-like brain, so we dont know what he was doing, gathering army maybe or something but its irrelevant, we know what Carol was doing, trying to save universe yet it took her full 7 seconds to cross 10 meters, she was clearly dazed. In the early '90s, Ultron had reached his thirteenth iteration. Film aus dem Marvel Cinematic Universe in den Kinos. Avengers: Age of Ultron was Joss Whedon's final directing gig in the MCU, and he used the time to bring in new characters Vision, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver. There is actually a decent chunk of mental gymnastics going around if you're using the comics as a source or bringing up ideas that aren't backed up by the movie. Endless versions of the characters emerge every so often, providing the Avengers (and usually everyone else) with massive headaches, but comic book fans with lots of joy. Thanos vs Carol scenes are odd and inconsistent that's why it's best to ignore the two scenes and focus on their other feats. You could argue for Thanos overloading her input but that would involve Thanos being smart enough to know she's using the stones power while still being stupid enough to bet it all by possibly giving his foe more energy. Marvel Avengers Age Of Ultron Captain America Iron Man Mark 43 Thor Speech Sound Effects. He did get depowered but it isn't as big as you're making it out to be. It's much easier to simply have her get beat by Thanos without her getting amped because she overall gives no purpose. Ultron does have energy blasts. The second took place in the '90s, with the Ultron Unlimited saga. Maybe it never occurred to you that being thrown off balance then acting was a thing. At one moment she can bullrush the sanctuary at easily hypersonic speeds but when she was returning the gauntlet to the time machine she was coursing at like 100 mph then there are times she could even go FTL. She was not thrown off balance, he threw it, she landed on the ground and after that needed 7 seconds just to recover and return, that never happend with Thor, as soon as he stopped after initial bullrush from IM he stood up in second just fine and started talking with IM. Ultron-13 was a far boxier and larger version than the previous ones, with a very thin waist that looked and moved almost like an accordion. I disagree, when she was returning it we dont know how fast she was moving, something looking slow does not mean it is and she is only FTL in space, on earth she is at least hypersonicc. If base Thanos was strong enough to handle Captain Marvel on his own why not just have him beat her alongside Thor and Cap? He's even more intriguing considering that the Avengers actually created him. But she is human, she has human organs just much stronger, she can be knocked out. Tony Stark & Bruce VS Captain America & Wanda ⛔ Creating Vision - Age Of Ultron ⛔ #Avengers #Marvel #Vision #PYM #Ironman #Hulk They specifically mention that she is too strong, not that the stones are too strong. Ant-Sized Variant (Back) Ant-Sized Variant. That's even worse! Yes but that has nothing to do with what i am talking about. Ursprünglich hieß sie Rächer-Initiative, doch war Nick Fury mit dem Namen unzuf… I disagree, when she was returning it we dont know how fast she was moving, something looking slow does not mean it is and she is only FTL in space, on earth she is at least hypersonic. Same Sanctuary that carried drop ships and q-ships that were also destroyed by Marvel? 0. Thor's lighting+ Iron man repulsor+ Vision Mind gem>> Captain marvel's photon blast. Closest to that was his bullrush against Surtur but his casual hits after that were only making small cracks. Unless everyone was now moving at super speeds. Iconic comic book artist George Perez, behind some of the greatest Teen Titans stories ever, got a couple of cracks at Ultron. She isn't shown being nearly knocked out and this whole "she didn't come back immediately therefore she was hurt" argument is getting old. I mean, Hulk has been hurt by small chitauri blasters in the first movie. I don't even care about her bullrushes because destroying ships with zero durability isn't all that and them being made of unkown metal doesn't change that either. It’s aggressive, it’s pummeling. As i said they gave us loot of evidence of this amp, they do not need to mention evrything, But yeah i can see where you are coming from, they should have mentioned it but as i said the evidence they gave us is prety clear. Thanos wurde unförmig geboren, mit einer körperlichen Mutation, die ihn als eine Anomalie unter seinem Volk kennzeichnete und ihn somit zu eine… and better agility as shown against fighting the undead and Hela. The latter he didn't tank and even Loki survived it so I wouldn't put this feat above her league. Carol's durability is still pretty good due to her energy shield. . Why is the amped never mentioned in what would be the most important time to bring it up, especially when the Russo's have clarified on details in the past that are less important than this? Joss Whedon originally intended to introduce Carol Danvers in 2015's Age of Ultron… @sufferedtoker: She can get close if she got close to Thanos. Kim Variant. Do you know what is cinematic timing? Except Thanos, the Avengers, and chitauri weren't moving in slow-mo when she was passing by. Hulk tanked 23 hits from the Hulkbuster right to the face, a repeated combo when he's pinned down. 1. That wasn't even shown on-screen. The gems aren't even glowing, she still glows at the same level as usual, and no energy is coming out of the gems for her to absorb. Thor definitely withstood tougher things than re-entry but I wouldn't say he no-selled them. marvel. I admit he was weakened but not by an enormous amount. 5:15. The brainchild – literally – of Dr. Hank Pym turned on his creator and has made life pretty hard for everybody in the ensuing decades since his debut back in 1968. The only reason the ship fell was that she destroyed the command center. Weren't you arguing that because of Thanos throwing away Carol and her not returning in a few seconds meant he dealt a good blow? Also, Hulk couldn't bring the entire leviathan to a stop. The difference is that there is a loot of evidnece that suggests that she was amped. The Sanctuary already held it's own dropships inside it too. These allowed Ultron to quickly evolve into the terrifying and murderous machine he would eventually become. He still withstood multiple hits from Hulk with only a small drop of blood and overpowered Loki while holding back. Der S.H.I.E.L.D. He gets better physicals in terms of feats. Weren't you arguing that because of Thanos throwing away Carol and her not returning in a few seconds meant he dealt a good blow? I do, either that or she was just lying there and chilling for 7 seconds while Mad Titan was trying to snap his fingers and destroy universe she tired to save and i think first option os far more likely. Wer dachte, dass die Verschmelzung von Ultron und Sigma eine schlechte Nachricht war, sollte mal einen Blick auf ihn werfen, wenn er sich in diesen techno-organischen Körper geworfen hat. Kaufen. If Surtur was ~1000 m vs 4000 m, Surtur would weigh 64 times less by Geometry and would've been launched many times slower than if he was 4000 m. There is a world of difference between both calcs and a whole lot of assumptions to be made about his true size. RELATED: 5 Reasons Ultron Could Conquer The DC Universe (& 5 Why He Couldn't). Hulk made him bleed with one hit, while in Ragnarok he tanked 12 hits to face without even scratch, so he was weakend by prety big amount. Not to sure, I don't wanna use Ragnarok Thor as a comparison because Ultron never fought that Thor. Carol lacks striking feats of any kind but her stopping that missile coming at supersonic speeds then throwing it about 20 feet or so away is more than enough to say her physicals are above Ultron. The brainchild – literally – of Dr. Hank Pym turned on his creator and has made life pretty hard for everybody in the ensuing decades since his debut back in 1968. Except in one scene she makes it from the upper atmosphere to the sanctuary in seconds. Everything else you said doesn't even matter because one in the comment you quoted I never gave my opinion about who would win and two I already said Carol would win already in this thread. Reviews: 0. I know he is and that still held true in the first Avengers movie. If the Hulk was physically inferior to Ultron then he should've actually been bleeding from 2 minutes of beat down and not just have two bruises. oder. '', Joe Russo: ''Only Hulk was strong enough to do the snap without dying. Thanos also reacts to her passing by in a non-slow mo level of speed and she's still not going that fast. You see the official movie and canon>how you feel, that is just fan theory at the end of the day, she was clearly heavily dazed by that, sure they wanted to do that so thanos can nearly snap but they also had him heavily hurt her( nearly knock her out) which would guy his time for that, the reason for that drama, for her not returning and him nigh snapins is because she was nearly knocked out. He was overpowering her leg (leg strength > arm strength) not to mention him being severely weakened he tanked her bullrush, they had Rhodey and Hulkbuster help restrain him since Carol didn't have that under control. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Verkäufer 96.9% positiv. I meant after the Sanctuary was destroyed when the trio of Avengers fight Thanos again in order to stop him from using the gauntlet. Of course, after she recovered, after 7 seconds there will be no reaction. It shows that Vision could tank his hits, and that he could tank visions, not that they are equals really, so that is not really problem. It doesn't make sense at all with what the direction of the scene is going for. They later had a rematch where they were going blow for blow until Thor and Iron Man joined and burned him. We only see her go all out for 3 minutes in her first film and like 2 minutes for Endgame. It doesn't make sense at all with what the direction of the scene is going for. She may have targeted the command center but the explosions coming from it were larger than the leviathans themselves. We don't know how many strikes he hit Thor with since most of the beatdown was off-screen. 9:54. Bitch, please. I think that he can eventually put her down and that he will do it sooner than she could put him down. Darth Vader is strong and many say that he is powerful not that force is powerful but the force is still reason, soruce of his strenght and power, source of her sudden strength was IG. While I agree she is lacking in striking feats, the Sanctuary is a battleship so taking it down should at least be more impressive than taking a much smaller leviathan down. What was the point of giving her an unspecified, never mentioned, temporary amp if she doesn't do anything with it? € 3,99. It was destroyed by a fall from terminal velocity which caused a building level explosion at best. We are also assuming that Captain Marvel isn't just going to let her beat him like Thor did to distract him from Vision. I thought those were his only attacks. If base Thanos was strong enough to handle Captain Marvel on his own why not just have him beat her alongside Thor and Cap? NEXT: Marvel: 5 DC Villains Ultron Would Team Up With (& 5 He Would Hate). Durability feats for the ship she busted in her solo film? Even though the Sanctuary cannons can one-shot leviathans? Produced by Marvel Studios and distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures, it is the sequel to The Avengers (2012) and the 11th film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). Besides Thanos doesn't have quantifiable strength feats anyway. Durability feats for the Sanctuary? Ragnarok Thor was just as strong as AoU Thor, he was never amped. Vision was temporarily immobile by frying Ultron out of the internet. The early versions of Ultron were great, taking a fantastic original design from John Buscema in Avengers #54 through Avengers #58 and slowly refining it. Got to get some sleep so I'll make this quick. He should've handled all of team Cap together minus Wanda but he was reduced to landing one good hit on Giant Man and team sabotage. @eredin12: Ultron doesn't have better physicals than Marvel. Wiz: And it's our job to analyze their weapons, armor, and skills to find out who would win... a Death Battle. But she did, she no solled his headbutt, started overpowering him gave audience hope and forced him to use power stone, but in the end she lost, you can have an amp and still lost when your enemy is smart enough as Thanos was here. Captain Marvel almost made her Marvel Cinematic Universe debut in Joss Whedon's Avengers: Age of Ultron, and a new alternate scene shows the early version of her cameo.Brie Larson only brought Carol Danvers to the big screen at the beginning of this year in Captain Marvel and Avengers: Endgame, but that was not always set to be how Marvel Studios brought her to the screen. The former was a giant flash but nothing even close to a city block was destroyed. She clearly doesn't have extraordinary reaction times so she couldn't have just insta-recoordinated even if the attack didn't hurt. Direktor Nick Fury rief die revengers-Initiative ins Leben, um die Menschheit vor größeren Bedrohungen, vor allem außerirdischer Natur, zu schützen, da S.H.I.E.L.D. Why not stop at least one member from coming together? You don't know if she was actually hurt/almost knocked out by that attack. He is most recognized as a foe of the Avengers, and has a quasi-familial relationship with several of their members, especially his creator Hank Pym. Just look at those two scenes together and tell me she was flying at the same speed. He was overpowering her leg (leg strength > arm strength) not to mention him being severely weakened he tanked her bullrush, they had Rhodey and Hulkbuster help restrain him since Carol didn't have that under control. It's not consistent but yes, he's stronger than Carol. All we know is that she came back a few seconds later. Considering a casual Hulk punch doesn't actually scale to bringing down city block sized areas, the burden of proof is on you. Hulk had him on the ground for at most 15 seconds since the whole awakening was shot in slow-mo so that's not a fair comparison. What? It's not just Ultron-15 that debuts in this story, but hundreds of others, all the way up to Ultron-458. Verkäufer 100% positiv. Ultron is a major Avengers supervillain and it was only a matter of time before he showed up in the big-screen franchise. Marvel Avengers Age Of Ultron Captain America Iron Man Mark 43 Thor Speech Sound Effects. @gangorca: Still gonna need feats of Carol to suggest she can harm Hulk. Avengers vs. X-Men Avengers World Sonderband Ben Reilly: Scarlet Spider Black Cat (2020) Black Panther (2017) Black Widow (2015) Black Widow (2016) Cable & Deadpool Cable & X-Force Captain America (2012) Captain America (2019) Captain America Sonderband (2008) Captain America: Steve Rogers Captain Marvel (2017) Captain Marvel (2020) Carnage It would be the last time that Ultron would be shy about who and what he was in just about every medium the character appears in. The Avengers Marvel Action Figur Weihnachten Spielzeug Spiderman Captain America. If she can absorb energy casually, why she didn't absorb the van explosion? Boomstick: Like Ultron, Marvel's mechanical mass murderer. Where was it stated she was destroying the engines? Darby Harn is a contributor for Screenrant, CBR.com, Star Wars News Net, and Movie News Net. All the female Avengers had their own action sequences before Carol was even half-way to the van compared to her entering the atmosphere in even less time. We see her holding IG and as soon as she does that she gets far more powerful than she was before, i think that is prety clear evidnece that she was amped. He did bruise him with few hits, which Hulk could not do with 12 and Vision was stomped prety quickly after he pissed him off o. Ithink a problem with this match is that there isn't much to go off of in terms of their full power like in comparison to Thor. Agreed but I'm not sure that Ultron can even hurt Carol with his blasts. Why not stop at least one member from coming together? There's zero proof she's stronger or not stronger than Thanos. Trending. Other than that, yes, it is a better feat than re-entry. Because unlike Carol Ultron( Robot) cannot be knocked out, or dazed and we see him with no injuries later, Which is far more than Hulk could give him, We know that he was 800 m at his smallest, there he should be at least KM or so which is enough to claim billions of tons. Ultron crashed into the MCU in a big way in Avengers: Age of Ultron, setting off a chain of events that would really only resolve several films down the line. They explicitly use the power stone as a tool to get her out of the battlefield. The Sanctuary was causing more problems for everyone than necessary. In comics, Thor can create portals and use a move called the godblast that allows him to use the Odinforce. 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Withstanding the power of Thor's lightning, Iron Man's repulsors, Vision's mind stone beam is pretty good but he also got devastated by it. @gangorca: Carol never busted Outrider Ships and Q-Ship broke after it was slammed into the ground on Titan. The first Ultron fans meet is Ultron-5 in the pages of Avengers #54 in 1968. As i said you do realize you can be knocked out with no visible injuries? She had to have been on the ground for less than 7 seconds for that scene to work. Hello. Ever heard of concussive force? The evil robot soon figured out that all of humanity and the Avengers in particular would stand in the way of its rise into robotic perfection. You don't know if she was actually hurt/almost knocked out by that attack. It basically confirms that Thanos > Carol in terms of physical strength and durability. Ultron was a fantastic villain for the early Marvel Universe because of his tenacity. There's no reaction to his throw afterwards by Carol to judge that off of and she had no injuries on her. the fact that she had no visible injuries. Featless in durability? She is not suddenly far strogner than she ever was before, before she was weaker than Thanos, now she is stronger and that is not onyl evidnece, we also have canon confirmation that she can absorb energy as she does in comics, that sounds prety good to me, She was not thrown off balance, he threw it, she landed on the ground and after that needed 7 seconds just to recover and return, that never happend with Thor, as soon as he stopped after initial bullrush from IM he stood up in second just fine and started talking with IM, Maybe its geting old but its true, fact that despite her great travel speed, she needed 7 seconds to return after he threw her 10 meters and she was trying to prevent him from destroying universe show that she was heavily dazed, you dont need to have injuries to be knocked out, Just look at him, his face was not only damaged part, but his whole body was also burned, damaged and he had trouble standing up, he stumbled while trying to stand a moment before Hulk punched him, he was not casually moving, Inyured Ultron that had trouble standing got punched and sent flying by Hulk, I would not use that to say that normal VB Ultron is not Hulks superior, But becasue she needed 7 seconds to recover we know that she was, we dont need to see it. Same cannons that can't do shit to Marvel? Ultron possessed the body of Arsenal after the Avengers defeated Thanos. He still was mostly in one piece even after that attack. That is not Hulks best feat, Surtur feat is, him pushing billions of tons at a supersonic speed which is far above that. Thor couldn't no-sell a similar fall in the first Avenger's movie. The ship was devastating both sides of the battle when Thanos called upon it to rain fire. Hulk has actual feats worth bringing up and that's a feat for Giant-Man. The debut of the character in 1968 involved some complicated sleight of hand involving not just Ultron, but his own subsequent creation, the Vision. This version of the character took the Frankenstein theme to new levels. The Dark Aster has zero durability feats and it can't be scaled to other Accuser ships, since it was made out of a material that looked completely different. Part of the "Secret Wars (2015)" event. They later had a rematch where they were going blow for blow until Thor and Iron Man joined and burned him. Same Sanctuary is a battleship that likely has been hit by projectiles before? Thanos could get Thor to bleed in like several hits in Endgame and Hulk isn't far behind Thanos in strength. So can she even melt him? Comics don't translate well into movies. His evolving design in the movie was in keeping with his comics roots, though it was Tony Stark who created him on screen and not Hank Pym.