The Maw and Cull Obsidian had no reason to target Banner specifically because they had no way of knowing he was The Hulk. Strange ain't got time to deal with some indestructible, space-faring, time-hopping, genius super gorilla monster who could potentially undo option #14,000,605 so he had to put the kaibosh on that. This is what would have happened. We don't know how the Bifrost works with regard to time dilation or interstellar travel. www.cbr.com -BY L.D. The Hulk is stupid. Doing the exact math, Loki departs the Bifrost to be gathered up by a wormhole and spat out onto Sakaar exactly 11 seconds before Thor, resulting in "weeks" of difference. “If only I had been Sorcerer Supreme back when that happened.”. How long did it take Hulk to even get there? The Hulk is a loner***. The Grandmaster isn't just a wizard though. There were thousands of people in the area in danger of being killed during that battle. After Caiera's death, and the Hulk's departure from Sakaar, Skaar emerged from a cocoon, appearing to be the age equivalent of a human preteen. Then Natasha shows up to recruit him for the Avengers. Interesting but there are quite a few holes. “In Thor: Ragnarok the Hulk is on Sakaar for a pretty long time it seems. Then after that debacle, he agrees to play Dr. Frankenstein a second time to create Vision even though he himself points out what a disaster Ultron turned out to be. Not to mention there's a jump point right outside of earth's atmosphere, pretty sure the Quinjet just hit that and that's how he got to Sakaar. Thanos is across the galaxy and surrounded by body guards and an army. He chose to send him to Sakaar because it was the perfect place for him. Given she knew IMMEDIATELY who Banner was and how to subdue him. The Hulk though, well, he's a loner. ReddIt. A link to an external website VIDEO: How Hulk Travelled to Sakaar After Avengers: Age of Ultron imewasilishwa kwa a shabiki of The Avengers: Age of Ultron. Strange sent The Hulk to Sakaar which was the first of his four attempts at getting rid of The Hulk. In Doctor Strange, The Ancient One, as Sorcerer Supreme, admitted to actively interfering in events to “prevent countless terrible futures and there's always another one” so why would Strange be any different especially when he considers himself above the rules. Skaar: Son of Hulk was a very underrated series IMO. In the MCU, we know of five types of teleportation: the hexagonal jump gates in space, the rainbow beam of the Bifrost, the Tesseract's smokey blue flames, the Convergence's giant doorways and the circular wizard portals. However, once he does, the Smart Hulk becomes an even greater danger than the stupid Hulk ever was because Banner has proven time and time again, he makes poor choices. The Hulk is a loner***. [source]. Loki and Thor took two different wormholes that landed them both on Sakaar and Thor's was around 2 lightweeks longer. It makes sense to want to get rid of The Hulk because he can cause limitless destruction of life and has. After Thor frees The Hulk from Sakaar and Heimdall sends him crashing to into the Sanctum in Infinity War, Strange sees that Banner cannot turn into The Hulk to take on Cull Obsidian. I think the idea here is that he used the Time Stone to go back. For something moving at the speed of light, distance doesn't matter. He willingly blasted off into space, and, given the large number of wormholes that lead to Sakaar, his ship eventually landed on the Grandmaster's planet. He's like a baby! Thanks to the Time Stone, Strange is not bound by the constraints of linear time, so he already knows that Thanos and the snap are a supremely terrible potential future and that if it ever starts to come to pass, Thanos will move so quickly in retrieving the Infinity Stones that no other higher powers or celestial beings will have time to react and stop him. Maybe time is more of a Jeremy Bearimy situation on Sakaar. There is still enough leeway for everything to be explained away by Marvel. Strange is always ready to use the Time Stone without hesitation. It is basically what happens in the Planet Hulk comic storyline. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Banner also says he put a bullet in his mouth and the hulk spit it out. While simple-minded, his sessions with Valkyrie are enough to consider post-Sakaar Hulk a different entity entirely — one with no reservations about smashing his one-time friend/colleague, for sure, but also one akin to Dragon Ball’s Goku reaching a new level of Super Saiyan. It was. We don't know what a normal mental growth rate for the Hulk is, but it seems to me that if he had been there for centuries his mental faculties would be more advanced. Also it lines up with Hulk being FAR more powerful than we think/know at this point. In Ragnarok, we're never told how he ended up on Sakaar. After he becomes the Sorcerer Supreme, he's the top dog. In fact, he seems to see them as powerful allies that help protect the realms. Sakaar is the only planet within the Tayo Star System known to be inhabited by sentient life. For reasons that go unexplained, Hulk turns off his video chat with Black Widow. That's the Dr. But, everyone in The Illuminati was in peak asshole mode for a good 5-year stretch so fuckem. He admits as much to the rest of the Avengers. That's all there is to it. At some point, he crash-landed on the desert planet known as Sakaar, the setting of Marvel Comics' "Planet Hulk" storyline. He's not bound by time like the rest of us bums. Following the battle in Sokovia and the defeat of Ultron, Hulk turned his back on Black Widow and the rest of the world. So, a Hulk that’s even more formidable than before, then. And he's a bizarre father-figure to the slave civilization he's cultivated on his own private world. The Ancient One idolized Strange. Not quite centuries, but still a chunk of change. That one took place after Hulk left planet Sakaar … As early as the Loki's attack on NYC, The Ancient One is already convinced that Dr. If we assume a minimum definition of "weeks" as just 15 days, that means one second of time outside of Sakaar (be it on Earth, in space, or any other parallel plane) equates to 117,818 seconds on Sakaar--or 1.36 days. He's like a five year old or six year old. Another thing to consider is the comments Mark Ruffalo made about the Hulk we see in Thor: Ragnarok: "Hulk speaking is the start to separating of these two individuals, these identities in this split-identity person, and where that's going to end up going. Strange didn't know who Thanos was, at all. For reasons that go unexplained, Hulk turns off his video chat with Black Widow. There are 52 weeks in a year, giving us 673.85 years. The Hulk definitely was not on Sakaar for 2 years, considering that he had to travel through space for some time before he wound up being stuck there. Bruce was missing for 2 years, or 17,520 hours. Option #14,000,605 ensured events transpired so that Natasha, instead of Clint, died for the Soul Stone and The Hulk, instead of Thor, ended up performing the Blip. STRANGE MAKES THREE MORE ATTEMPTS ON THE HULK AFTER SAKAAR, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the FanTheories community. Strange is very much against murder. Damn, Tony Stark buys some high quality threads, because third pic is Bruce Banner in Tony Stark's centuries old clothing. This is the Dr. There are lots of potential explanations. www.cbr.com -BY L.D. There’s not necessarily any correlation between time passage on Sakaar and time passage outside it. He'll play with time whenever and wherever he wants to dag-nabbit because the rules just don't apply to Strange. From the perspective of a photon, all travel is instantaneous. Fortunately, that has changed as some new details surrounding Thor: Ragnarok have surfaced … Hulk time on Sakaar in real time - 2 years. There are 365 days in a year, 24 hours in a day, 8,760 hours in a year. He knows its a bad idea for him to go, yet still he ends up on the helicarrier where despite all his yoga and self-control techniques, he hulks out and proceeds to destroy the inside of the helicarrier. Sakaar is home to Celestial space wizard tampering with time. If we assume a minimum definition of "weeks" as just 15 days, that means one second of time outside of Sakaar (be it on Earth, in space, or any other parallel plane) equates to 117,818 seconds on Sakaar--or 1.36 days. He's a Celestial. (43423851) With Stark and Romanoff now dead and Thor also psychologically traumatized and headed out into space, Banner also is completely alone and friendless again. Welcome to /r/FanTheories! He complains to the Ancient One about being told to “blindly accept rules that make no sense.” After which she introduces him to the Mirror Dimension where he can do whatever he wants because what happens there doesn't affect reality. NOLAN - In this new exclusive video, CBR looks at how Hulk arrived on Sakaar after Avengers: Age of Ultron. All of this wibbly wobbly time whimey stuff makes my head hurt. Skaar is the progeny of the Hulk and of Caiera the Oldstrong, who conceived Skaar during the Hulk's time on Caiera's home planet, Sakaar. After determining that The Hulk would be his first order of business as Sorcerer Supreme, Strange begins studying him looking for a weakness. Maybe, but she still won't have stopped Strange from doing it. I don't think he was there for centuries, there's nothing to support that beside the linear calculation used for how long between when Loki and Thor got there. But, regardless of that, the entire Sakaar plot is extremely inconsistent. He also ended up here in the film Thor: Ragnarok, only there he served at the whim of the Grandmaster. My personal theory is that the taxi thing was intentional, but far from an assassination attempt. OP explicitly says Strange used the Time Stone to go back and sling ring Hulk's plane to Sakaar. No, they were sent specifically for Strange. Bruce Banner is shown as a mild-mannered, mysterious, shy and analytical man of science. Attempt #2: Death by taxi cab. 1 History 1.1 Overview 1.2 Events 2 Points of Interest 3 Residents 4 Notes 5 Trivia 6 See Also 7 Links and References 7.1 Footnotes Sakaar is the fourth planet from the star Tayo, a member of the grouping of eight major heavenly bodies that comprise the Tayo Star System within the Fornax Galaxy. How Hulk Ended Up on Sakaar in Thor: Ragnarok - Caffeine Gaming Attempt #3: The Smart Hulk. As this post is saying, it's possible Hulk time on Sakaar - Centuries. “In Thor: Ragnarok the Hulk is on Sakaar for a pretty long time it seems. Strange could easily have gone back in time and performed shenanigans behind the scenes in any of those movies.So technically, the timelines we see in the movies are the timelines Strange has already altered them to. The Sorcerer Supreme has always tried to direct the course of history. She explains that the Avengers cannot track Hulk while the plane is in stealth mode. However, GOOD CALL on finding a way to both remove him and retain him as a potential big power in the future. Just as that other Celestial, Ego, spent millions of years learning to manipulate matter, The Grandmaster spent his time learning to manipulate time. It's not a stretch to believe he also keeps a list of dangerous humans on earth which would include Bruce Banner who as both a giant green rage monster and co-creator of Ultron is probably right at the top of it. It's the same Dr. His head was above two other heads. But hulk saves him. As previously mentioned, in "Planet Hulk," he is … He doesn't seem to be against Thor, Odin, or Asgard as a while. Wouldn't it be her job to prevent someone from tampering with time like that? The Hulk would be trapped on the planet, but he would spend the rest of his life smashing things and people all the live long day, revered as a beloved Champion by the planet's entire population instead of feared as a Monster on earth. If 1 hour = 1 Sakaar week (estimated), then: New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the marvelstudios community. He portals Banner away to the park in order to “protect him,” but also sends half a taxi cab with him which almost crushes him when he lands. Odin even says that it took him some time to break LOKI's spell of being in a trance or whatever. He wanted clarification that out of the trillions of souls in the universe that the Thanos Banner is talking about coming is Thanos the Mad Titan and not, say, Thanos the A'askvariian battle-slave on Sakaar. VK. What a convenient moment that would have been to strike,” he thinks to himself. Hela kicks Loki off the bifrost and then does the same to Thor minutes later. Hulk disappeared at the end of Avengers: Age of Ultron in a quinjet. Talks amongst the executive team eventually resulted in the fateful decision to pair Hulk with Thor, and to send the dynamic duo to the far-flung planet of Sakaar. All we know is that he had some sort of plane trouble and crash landed on Sakaar. Update: Thor: Ragnarok plot details for Valkyrie, Hulk and Grandmaster. Cool idea, I think a few points are a bit weak though. Let’s just agree that he was there longer than a day and go have some sandwiches. 1 History 1.1 Overview 1.2 Events 2 Points of Interest 3 Residents 4 Notes 5 Trivia 6 See Also 7 Links and References 7.1 Footnotes Sakaar is the fourth planet from the star Tayo, a member of the grouping of eight major heavenly bodies that comprise the Tayo Star System within the Fornax Galaxy. While the Hulk did have “the vocab of a two-year-old” in Thor: Ragnarok, Endgame takes Bruce Banner and his testy alter-ego a step further. Adding my comment to yours because I agree with your view, and also: I jumped off this theory when OP started saying Strange was time travelling. How else is The Grandmaster who is complete given over to his hedonism able to keep control of a planet full of hostile gladiators, slaves, rebels and vagrants? Difference between Thor and Loki arrival in real time - 5 minutes. In Age of Ultron, against his better judgment he agrees to help Stark create Ultron, in secret no less. Anyone else really miss Planet Hulk? This was the subject of a retcon after it became apparent that Ragnarok needed a big name supporting actor alongside Hemsworth. Idk he was already the champion I assume for a while. We don't know how all of Sakaar's portals work; at one point, Valkyrie explains that the smaller ones take different routes (and theoretically, amounts of time) to traverse safely. But that's not to say that the previous Sorceror didn't think the same way. Strange did it in the comics. In any case, we know Strange has used the Time Stone five (or seven) times already. But Hulk was far from the first champion of the planet Sakaar, and there are some pretty great clues about who the previous champions were. IMO - Centuries is a bit much, but I think I agree with the general idea. Per Valkyrie in Ragnarok, no one leaves Sakaar. In the comics, Strange is partly responsible for blasting The Hulk into space because he's too dangerous to stay on earth and The Hulk ultimately winds up on Sakaar as a gladiator, so this would all be a call back to that story line. A broken Hulk. The Hulk is also Strange's alarm clock for Endgame. It's not even that far down in the theory. Please also see my other Dr. I really loved Planet Hulk the Green Scar persona of the Hulk and the Warband were really cool.Since Marvel is p Go read Planet Hulk. Death by taxi, really? At beginning, Dr. Since both exile and assassination failed, Strange moves on with a stop-gap measure. Surely, the Ancient One would have stopped Strange you say. The danger of allowing Banner, with his poor decision making and in full possession of The Hulk's strength, continued access to time-travel is too great to ignore, especially in light of how Stark, Rogers and Loki will all have shortly screwed things up with their own time-traveling in Endgame. That would put the opening of Strange current with Civil War. A warlike and savage world, Sakaar is a point where many different species have come together. When he picks up the Time Stone to use it for the first time, does he take it to the Mirror Dimension? Sakaar. www.cbr.com -BY L.D. I'm up-voting this because you made a Jeremy Bearimy reference. People are also assuming hulk immediately made it to Sakaar, he could have been traveling for a long time. After Age of Ultron, he goes into hiding again. There are too many variables with regard to time relativity and wormhole travel to conclusively say whether the Hulk was on Sakaar for a few months, a few years or 200,000 years. He's stupid. We don't know how all of Sakaar's portals work; at one point, Valkyrie explains that the smaller ones take different routes (and theoretically, amounts of time) to traverse safely. “Why, The Hulk would have been completely isolated and weary from battle then. Moreover, unlike the jump gates, the Bifrost, Convergence or Tesseract, all of which are fleeting and temporary passages, the circular portals on Sakaar appear to be permanent. Yet, somehow me makes that work. Hulk speaks in full sentences. Yeah I feel like the Quinjet would’ve been way worse off if it was centuries later. Or Strange knows that Hulk is critical in getting Thor back to Asgard, so he ensures Hulk makes it to Sakaar? It dealt with the Marvel heroes' decision to send the Hulk away, his acclimation to and conquest of the planet where he landed, and his efforts to return to Earth to take his revenge.. On Sakaar - a couple of weeks. NOLAN - In this new exclusive video, CBR looks at how Hulk arrived on Sakaar after Avengers: Age of Ultron. He foresaw that in that potential future that one day The Hulk comes crashes through the sanctum. Planet Hulk as you all know by now is a primary influence in Thor: Ragnarok as the film supposedly includes gladiatorial sequences featuring everyone’s favorite Emerald Giant on an alien planet. Isn't he supposed to just be completely in another timeline? I haven't been able to put the Endgame ending together in my head, didn't they break their own rule of "time travel starts alternate realities that don't effect the future because they create offshoots?" Nope. We know how Hulk ended up on Sakaar. The Smart Hulk has all the brains and the brawn in one package and that is an outcome Strange can live with until Stark invents time-travel. The Hulk took off in a ship bound for nowhere at the end of Avengers: Age of Ultron. There's no explanation for how The Hulk got to Sakaar. Stark, Vision and Thor are Avengers, there's no way he can strike at them without the risk of bringing the rest of Avengers down on him (plus the Asgardians as well in Thor's case). Just accept that it's all fucky and enjoy the movie. The Grandmaster wears the flamboyant robes of the Masters of the Mystic Arts. Doctor Strange became Sorceror Supreme in 2017, pretty sure age of ultron was before that. Sakaar is the only planet within the Tayo Star System known to be inhabited by sentient life. (43423851) Strange's answer every question put to him is “Time Stone.” He's had a grand total of maybe 3 hours in the MCU so far, and I'm not sure how much real time that translates to, but during that time he uses the Time Stone on-screen five times: in Kamar-Taj, Hong Kong, The Dark Dimension, NYC and on Titan. Who is the wizard keeping those portals open? What does reddit have to do with anything? In turn, Hulk is more primitive with his senses amplif… So he has the same syntax, he has the same world view, and so it was fun." Kevin Feige likes to pull story elements from the comic books for use in the movies. He was able to get Thor, one of the most powerful beings in the universe to do his bidding by using a control device, not magic. In the movie they say that he was the first person on the planet and got stuck there. Even as Strange sought to banish The Hulk from earth for the greater good, he did so without malicious intent. They were constructing his face in that monument thing. One thing I did notice was Hulks character,” they explained. In short, the Hulk actually flew into space (at the end of Age of Ultron) where, after drifting for a while, he chanced upon a portal to Sakaar What Feige is referring to is the last time fans saw the Hulk, flying off in a Quinjet after being hurt by Black Widow. Did you forget to edit your question after copying and pasting it from reddit? We’ve seen that he’s utilitarian enough to sacrifice lives in order to win, so I have no doubt he would have run the moral calculus on killing Banner vs waking up the Hulk and decided it was worth it to keep the Time Stone safe. Grandmaster isn't a wizard. One of the financial agreements listed in the contract between Marvel Comics and Hulk Hogan, which can be read on Scribd, noted that Marvel was paid .90 of 1% in royalties on merchandise (including toys) or projects involving the name Hulk Hogan. This was the subject of a retcon after it became apparent that Ragnarok needed a big name supporting actor alongside Hemsworth. Like, Cap goes back in time and just shows back up in their present as an old man? At some point, he crash-landed on the desert planet known as Sakaar, the setting of Marvel Comics' "Planet Hulk" storyline. The winding down for the MCU year of 2016 has been going on for some time now, making juicy news bits and intriguing information about the future of the MCU scarce. He's still kind of like the new exciting fighter. He's powerful enough to keep the giant wizard portals open all over the planet. As Screen Rant learned during a visit to the set of Thor: Ragnarok , Sakaar is referred to as "the landfill of the universe," with portals opening to all kinds of debris to its surface. After age of ultron he was in a quinn jet that was in stealth mode. Speaking of which, ScreenRant says when we see Hulk on Sakaar, he’ll have been in his Hulk form for two years. Forgive me if I’m taking the easy way out but doesn’t the fact that strange uses the time stone at the drop of a hat counteract the timeline business? All his actions on Titan are done to ensure that off all the infinite possibilities, his chosen future, option #14,000,605, comes to fruition because in that one, Banner, crushed by his inability to protect Vision and stop the snap, looks inward as a coping mechanism which leads to him ultimately integrating his intellect with The Hulk's strength. Once Ultron is defeated, Black Widow contacts Hulk on the ship and urges him to land the plane. He gets eaten by ravagers at the end of thor ragnarok. Press J to jump to the feed. He was told not to use portals in the library, he did any way. Dr. IMO - Centuries is a bit much, but I think I agree with the general idea. Strange keeps a list of dangerous beings from other worlds per Ragnarok. The same one who's using them to bring him participants like Beta Ray Bill, Bi-Beast, and Doug for his Contest of Champions. Loki has been on Sakaar for weeks, per dialogue. They also sent the nuke to Sakaar (where Hulk ended up) and killing his new family. Wait a minute, he's a got the Time Stone he remembers. According to this new Reddit theory, it is highly unlikely that Hulk gained a massive following in the two years that he spent on Sakaar. Also, he knew where Odin was but did nothing to contain him. That's why they couldn't just go back and kill Thanos as a baby, correct? Strange that lets Thanos temporarily snap away half the universe to get what he considers rhe best possible future. If he had magic he would have gotten out. The Hulk is stupid. The Hulk also doesn't really get on well with the other Avengers. The beauty of bringing a guy like The Hulk to a planet like Sakaar is the fact that it's a locale in which he can finally cut loose without fear of judgment from the outside world. It's impossible. Doing the exact math, Loki departs the Bifrost to be gathered up by a wormhole and spat out onto Sakaar exactly 11 seconds before Thor, resulting in "weeks" of difference. A subreddit dedicated to Marvel Studios and the Marvel Cinematic Universe! Strange could have dropped odin in the mirror dimension for eternity and no one would ever know. The Grandmaster's abilities are so great, that Loki, the rightful king of Jotunheim and assassin of its last ruler, a claimant to the throne of Asgard who bewitched its last king, the god of mischief who would go on to battle the goddess of death, the guy who tried to stab the earth's Sorcerer Supreme and would later also try to stab Thanos in the throat, the would-be conqueror of earth and the former wielder of both the Mind and Space Stones, tells Thor it would be better to try sneaking off Sakaar than to confront The Grandmaster directly. He's still want to perform under the Hippocratic oath if he can. Somebody gave it silver, so you know it's good: https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/ehd8kg/dr_strange_engineered_the_snap_in_inifinity/. His only restriction is that he can't go forward in time beyond the date of his death. Difference between Thor and Loki arrival in real time - 5 minutes. One thing I did notice was Hulks character,” they explained. We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. He controls the shock control devices, he has the army and money. Meaning they were paid 90% of whatever the 1% total was. He's stupid. He then presumably flew for a long, long time until he landed in Sakaar. It was actually Strange’s way of trying to force the Hulk to come out by putting Banner at risk of fatal harm. By Infinity War, he's seen some stuff and has a much different mindset. The Theory: Dr. This was shown when Loki was tossed onto Sakaar only seconds before Thor but arrived two weeks before Thor did, as well as the Grandmasterclaiming that he would be "millions of years old" compared to the outside world. A link to an external website VIDEO: How Hulk Travelled to Sakaar After Avengers: Age of Ultron Abgeschickt Von a Fan of The Avengers: Age of Ultron. That's how he stays in charge. Do the timelines even match up? That's all there is to it. Isn't Rhodes' back injury mentioned at the start of Doctor Strange as one of the cases he turns down? The Red King rules the planet with an iron fist and has coliseum games for amusement. He is able to maintain control on the planet for the same reason every shitty dictator in history has, power and fear. Press J to jump to the feed. Seriously, it’s one of, if not THEE best Hulk story. On Sakaar - a couple of weeks. As Screen Rant learned during a visit to the set of Thor: Ragnarok , Sakaar is referred to as "the landfill of the universe," with portals opening to all kinds of debris to its surface. There have been so few Hulk deaths in the comics and Strange has seen all futures for the Hulk... if he really wanted him dead, it'd take a lot more than death by taxi. Digg. Once Ultron is defeated, Black Widow contacts Hulk on the ship and urges him to land the plane. He sends The Hulk to all the way to a prison planet run by a celestial, so it would be impossible for The Hulk to either accidentally and purposely smash up the sanctum or even come into contact with Thanos at all. This is a place for fans of various creative works to share theories, interpretations and speculation related to that particular creative work. Strange didn't try to portal any of them to a “safer” place, just Banner. Now he's landed on the strange planet of Sakaar. Therefore, Strange tries his best to prevent it and set himself up with an early warning system at the same time. Sakaar is a prison planet paradise. Its impossible to estimate how long he was there. He even has his own relic, the Melting Stick. The beauty of bringing a guy like The Hulk to a planet like Sakaar is the fact that it's a locale in which he can finally cut loose without fear of judgment from the outside world. Now we cross multiply 1/17520 = 2/X or 35,040 weeks. That's why he asks Banner who Thanos is when he arrives. He admits to being millions of years old. (If you buy in on my other theory than Strange orchestrated the snap, then he also used the Time Stone two more times on Titan, once to set the time loop that ensures Thanos completes the gauntlet and once to make sure the Time Stone reverses the destruction of the Mind Stone.)